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November 16, 2004
Host:
Cary Pfeffer substituing for Michael
Grant
Topics:
· Medical Breakthroughs "Asthma;"
· Proposition 400 and plans to expand Valley freeways
In-Studio Guests:
· Dr. Gerald Schwartzberg, pulmonary disease
specialist;
· Dr. Charles Finch, emergency room physician and for the
Arizona Lung Association's Camp Not-A-Wheeze
Important Links &
Resources:
University
of Arizona Allergy and Asthma Information
American
Lung Association Asthma & Allergy
Web
MD Asthma Health Center
Center
for Disease Control Asthma & Allergies
National
Institutes of Health
Mayo
Clinic Research: "Esinophils in Asthma"
Cary Pfeffer:
Tonight on "HORIZON", asthma is the fastest growing
chronic disease in America. It's worse here in Arizona. Asthma
causes thousands of kids to miss school and is a major reason
people visit emergency rooms. Now, new research here in Arizona
has pinpointed a blood cell component needed to trigger asthma.
>> Bill J. Pfeifer:
It's so important that we do recognize it, that the research and
cure and better treatment of asthma comes from anywhere in the
world. You've got to be able to support cutting edge research.
The better way to treat asthma and one day how do we cure asthma.
Cary Pfeffer:
Plus, a look at how valley freeways will be expanded now that
voters have passed proposition 400.
Announcer:
"HORIZON" is made possible by the friends of Channel
8, members who provide financial support to this Arizona PBS station.
Thank you.
>> Cary Pfeffer:
Good evening, welcome to "HORIZON". I'm Cary Pfeffer
in for Michael Grant. People with breathing problems once came
to Arizona to recover. Not anymore. Allergies, air pollution and
other triggers are one reason that the state has a higher percentage
of asthmatics than most other states. There are an estimated 20
million people with asthma in America. More than 300,000 Arizonans
have asthma, in including 80,000 children. It's the leading cause
of missed school and outside of accidents, the top reason for
emergency room visits. Asthma is associated with about 5,000 deaths
each year. The chronic disease is treatable, medications allow
many sufferers to resume normal activity. And new research could
lead to better medicines and treatment. As we continue our medical
breakthroughs series, we meet a researcher at Scottsdale's Mayo
Clinic who has given asthma sufferers hope. He's identified a
component of a white blood cell necessary for asthma to be triggered.
Paul Atkinson reports.
>> Paul Atkinson:
Jaime Lee has asthma and his wife and one of his four children.
He is wheezing today but is still able to work.
>> Jaime Lee:
Since I was a kid, the asthma has gotten worse and worse to where
I'm a steroid dependent asthmatic. For the most part, that works
and it's okay but during different parts of the season, of the
year, when the seasonal allergies get above the medication, I
start getting a little wheezy. I have to increase dosage of medications.
>> Paul Atkinson:
Asthma causes a person's airways to inflame. Here is a bronchial
tube. Here's one with inflammation.
>>Dr. Thomas Van Osdol:
the most common triggers for asthma in the early age group tends
to be more viruses and colds. Children get older, pollens, molds,
animals, those tend to be more factors in they are allergens.
>> Paul Atkinson: T
he National Institutes of Health report that 20 million have asthma,
more than 12 million have had an asthma attack in the last year.
It's responsible for half a million visits to the hospital annually.
The cost on the economy is great. An estimated $12.7 billion in
1998.
>> Bill J. Pfeifer:
When a child does have an asthma attack and they have to stay
home from school, if they have the asthma attack they are going
to the emergency room. That's increased burden on the emergency
room in the hospital alone, but also to our health care system.
That's added cost that didn't have to happen. Now you have a parent
who has stayed home and they have a lost day of work, possibly
a lost day of wages. Then the employer is impacted. It's a trickle
down effect.
>> Paul Atkinson:
Medication plays a major role in preventing attacks.
>> Dr. Thomas Von Osdol:
There's two types of medication, controllers, control inflammation
and swelling and prevent asthma symptoms from developing. Those
are typically daily symptoms. If you have symptoms more than twice
a week you should probably be on a daily preventive medication
for asthma. The quick reliever medicines help open up the airways,
relaxes the muscles around airways so individuals can breathe
better fairly quickly.
>> Paul Atkinson:
Medicine has made the world of difference in Jaime's life.
>> Jaime Lee:
I would be a fairly sick adolescent, I'm a fairly healthy adult.
By staying on medication and staying on doctor's advice, I live
a fairly normal life.
>> Paul Atkinson:
Jaime is hoping for more dramatic results. He is a researcher
in Scottsdale. He switched his area of research while in grad
school while at Cal Tech.
>> Jaime Lee:
My asthma got so bad, I ended up in the hospital. From my hospital
bed I said I'm going to work on asthma because I'm going to die
before I go anywhere.
>> Paul Atkinson:
In September, Science Magazine published his research. The research
took place in his lab, mice were exposed to same things that trigger
asthma attacks in humans.
>> Jaime Lee:
You can see his, mouse 2, you can see the breathing patterns.
We will graph it and we can calculate exactly what mice are we
reacting to what. We kind of figure out why they are.
>> Jaime Lee:
We engineered a mouse it has all the cells a human does but it's
missing eosinophils. They all disappeared. Everything from just
the inability to breathe as well as the mucous that would start
to accumulate in lungs, all of that disappeared and the only difference
between that mouse and a normal mouse is a presence or absence
of eosinophils.
>> Paul Atkinson:
The doctor says the key is finding out exactly what role it plays
in triggering the chronic disease.
>> Jaime Lee:
It's a long road from where I'm at. I'm not at the bed side. I'm
trying to figure out at a real fundamental level what's going
on, but I've been surprised in the past how such of an impact
this kind of research has on patient care. And in this case, because
we're identifying a clear agent, it's not going to be too far
from potential therapies that are directed against that causative
agent.
>> Cary Pfeffer:
Joining me are two doctors familiar with asthma. Dr. Gerald Schwartzberg
is a pulmonary disease specialist who treats people with lung
problems in both hospital and clinical settings. Also here is
Dr. Charles Finch, an emergency room physician. Dr. Finch volunteers
for the Arizona Lung Association's Camp Not-A-Wheeze for children
with moderate or severe asthma. Thank you both for being here.
>> Dr. Charles Finch:
Thank you.
>> Cary Pfeffer:
Let's take a step back. That was a great story by Paul laying
the groundwork. Let's make sure everybody understands what we're
talking about when we talk about asthma. Define it, when somebody
asks you what you do and the work that you focus on.
>> Dr. Gerald Schwartzberg:
Asthma is not what it used to be. Years ago we used to think that
asthma was a series of events. They would have an attack, sick,
then get better. Now we realize that's not the case at all. Asthma
is a chronic disease of inflammation of the lining of the bronchial
tubes, similar to if you had arthritis and inflammation of a joint
or an inflammatory thing on your skin. The same thing occurs in
the bronchial tubes. This is a chronic problem, it doesn't go
away at the end of an attack, it's there all the time or at least
the tendency for it to be there stays all the time. Many people
who feel they just have attacks still are living with that abnormality
inside of them. It's a kind of defect. The eosinophil has mediators
which let loose which cause that inflammatory reaction.
Cary Pfeffer:
We have reason for hope based on that research and other things
being learned?
>> Dr. Gerald Schwartzberg:
There's a tremendous amount of hope. I have been in the valley
35 years. I remember, people were coming in the emergency room
critically ill. Dr. Finch will talk about that in a little bit.
Now with the treatment we have, only because of research that
has allowed us to understand the disease better we can control
almost everybody with asthma. The trick is, it's a control to
get them in a situation to give them medicines that will help
them control the symptoms.
Cary Pfeffer:
One more quick question before we move to Dr. Finch. Part of the
challenge seems like the fact someone can feel, quote unquote,
normal and still be under the effect of asthma.
>> Dr. Gerald Schwartzberg:
We see this all the time. Many people have the mistaken idea once
they are better from the attack then they can stop the medicine
and they do. If they're lucky, that will work. More often than
not it doesn't. One of two things will happen, they will have
another attack later when something else happens like a cold or
atmospheric pressure changes or a whiff of pool chemicals or bleach.
Or the airways narrow, they don't realize unless they're athletes,
heavy exertion. We have seen people who aren't wheezing who come
in because of shortness of breath and we have found lung function
to be 30 and 40% of normal when they don't realize they are in
trouble.
Cary Pfeffer:
Dr. Finch, talk about your experience in the emergency room. Again,
the possibility of somebody coming in there at the point they're
at the emergency room it is a serious situation.
>> Dr. Charles Finch:
That's what it gets down to. By the time I see them in the emergency
department, they can't breathe. I look at them as breathing through
a straw. Air is important, the oxygen we need in our lungs is
important. When you can't breathe and have that much inflammation,
it's a major issue. I see it daily. And as we get into fall and
winter seasons, we're going to see more of that with viruses and
upper respiratory conditions. Asthma can kill. We have to educate.
We have to understand not only what triggers are that can spur
on an asthma attack but also what medicines we can take, how to
take them and how to maintain and improve our overall condition.
Cary Pfeffer:
Are the options that you have in the emergency room now, do you
have more options now than 10 years ago?
>> Dr. Charles Finch:
With the research that's gone on over the last 10 years and ongoing
research continuing, certainly our medicines that we have now
are far and away improved over the last 10 to 20 years. Asthma
still is prevalent out there so I don't want to make it known
that asthma is decreasing. That's not the case. Our medicines
are getting better but we have to work as a team to overcome this
particular entity.
Cary Pfeffer:
Doctor, your point is people should not have to make it to the
emergency room, maintaining that process will mean they wouldn't
have to make that trip?
>> Dr. Gerald Schwartzberg:
I don't want to put Dr. Finch out of business, but that's our
goal. We don't want our patients to go to the emergency room with
asthma. If they follow instructions generally, they won't. Education
is so critical. People have to learn how to take care of their
disease. Part is teaching them what to do when they have attacks
that will allow them to keep themselves out of the emergency room
and not die.
Cary Pfeffer:
That's an important point to make. Dr. Finch mentioned that. We
think of asthma as something that's controllable or for people
uneducated about the process, that comes and goes, but it can
be fatal?
>> Dr. Charles Finch:
I see in the emergency department, I wouldn't say on a regular
basis but I do see patients, children and adults who come in and
certainly the severe asthmatics that come in sometimes too late.
By the time I see them, despite the medication and therapies that
we do have, patients do die. I think it's an educational piece
that families need to understand. When I say family, I'm referring
to especially the adults who have children that have asthma. I
think it's important to realize this is a controllable disease,
but we have to work together to make it that way.
Cary Pfeffer:
The history here, you made some mention of it, it's ironic that
we're in the situation now. Years ago, people packed up and left
all kind of places in the country to come to Arizona.
>> Dr. Gerald Schwartzberg:
Doctors didn't know what to do. They had the idea if they came
to a warm climate, desert, that they would do better. There was
an advertisement in the '60s, send your sinuses to Arizona. People
would come to Arizona and supposedly get better. They did. They
came to Arizona and other people came to Arizona and their children
met each other and since it is a genetic condition, we have a
huge population of people here with allergies and asthma. Not
only that, they planted grass. And planted trees. And so we end
up down here now with allergy season just as bad and just as difficult
as in any other of the more tem pretty climates.
Cary Pfeffer:
Over a higher population of people who are affected by it.
>> Dr. Gerald Schwartzberg:
A higher prevalence of people in this part of country have asthma
than other parts of the country, I think that's true.
Cary Pfeffer:
Getting back to the emergency room side of it, the thing that
comes to mind is adults dealing with this is one thing. An adult
is expected to be able to make those kinds of judgments and follow
advice of doctors. The tough thing I have to believe is kids coming
in and dealing with that.
>> Dr. Charles Finch:
It's a scary thing for the healthcare workers, as well, but parents.
Parents with children who have asthma. It's an issue that's a
problem for them. Understanding how to control their child's own
disease is important. Certainly children with asthma is really
the leading cause of school absenteeism. That leads into the adults
not going to work as well. So it is a major issue. We, as a health
care team, need to work with these families to allow them to better
understand what the triggers are, how to manage those triggers,
what appropriate medicines their children can be on. That will
improve the self-esteem.
Cary Pfeffer:
Understanding what's happening to them in an attack situation.
>> Dr. Charles Finch:
The children feel like they're different than others, that may
not have asthma, for example, they are looked as being different.
That is not necessarily always the truth. There's a lot of things
these children can do but sometimes aren't allowed to because
they have asthma.
Cary Pfeffer:
How early are you able to tell? It seems that would play a part
in sort of battling what you have to face. How early in a patient
that you can tell that someone is going to have to deal with that?
>> Dr. Gerald Schwartzberg:
I deal with adults mostly. I said I would pass, I will.
>> Dr. Charles Finch:
Certainly children, once -- typically you start seeing asthma
being a recurrent inflammatory constrictive disease, sometimes
as early as two to three years old but generally it's five, six,
seven-year-olds that you see this as a recurrent problem.
>> Dr. Gerald Schwartzberg:
We see an interesting phenomenon. We see adults that had asthma
as children and grew out of it, that's how they describe it. Suddenly
they catch a coal, age 28 -- catch a cold, age 28, it's back.
It's always been there, this growing out business doesn't really
happen.
Cary Pfeffer:
Talk finally about some of the advances that you have seen over
the time that you have been able to work with patients.
>> Dr. Gerald Schwartzberg:
Well the advances have been spectacular. We are fortunate to have
all the medicines available that we have now to take care of asthma.
The steroids which don't cause any -- the steroids that you get
by mouth cause because it's deposited in the lungs. These have
changed the lives of many people. People who have been sick, sick,
sick, who can't do anything. Like Jaime Lee was talking about.
Once they start on the inhaled steroids, life is different. They
worry about something else. They're not worried about their asthma.
It's spectacular to see how that's changed. We have the dual controller
drugs now that can keep people from wheezing and most patients
when treated properly with the correct medicines don't even know
they have it.
>> Dr. Charles Finch:
I would also include overall, the last several years at least,
I've seen less asthmatics coming through the ER and I think that's
a key role at the primary care level. Getting the word out and
together, us working together in the emergency department and
primary care level and we work together to better him.
Cary Pfeffer:
Dr. Finch, thank you very much. Doctor, thanks very much for the
information.
>> Thank you.
Cary Pfeffer:
The valley's freeways will soon undergo upgrades now that proposition
400 has passed. 58% of Maricopa County voters approved the ballot
measure two weeks ago. Let's take a look at a map of the current
freeway system and the additions that will be made over the next
five years. Up in the northwest, loop 303 will be built between
Happy Valley Road and I-17. Interstate 17 will get new lanes from
the 101 north to the Carefree Highway. The 51 will get HOV lanes
from Shea Boulevard north to the 101. The 101 will also get HOV
lanes from Princess Drive south all the way to the Santan freeway.
U.S. 60, the superstition freeway, will get HOV lanes from Val
Vista Drive east to Power Road. I talk to Arizona Department of
Transportation director Victor Mendez about the upcoming freeway
expansion projects.
>>> Cary Pfeffer:
You have administrative responsibilities, not really political
responsibilities but at the same time you're probably breathing
a sigh of relief with the passing of proposition 400?
>> Victor Mendez:
Yes, Cary. And thank you for inviting me. We're prepared. We are
happy that prop 400 passed. There was a little anxiety, but we're
prepared to move on. We have a good track record in the past decade
of providing a new freeway system. We're ready to move forward.
Cary Pfeffer:
Speaking of moving forward, how filled are the current freeway
systems? In other words you probably have a way of measuring our
traffic flow and that sort of thing. Give us a sense of that for
people who sit in bumper to bumper traffic from time to time.
>> Victor Mendez:
That is a very good question. Most of us drive on a freeway system,
there is a definite rush hour. Basically what I tell people, when
you have about two million people at about the same time decide
to go to work or go home from work, you're going to have congestion.
I think we have definitive rush hours, early morning, late afternoon
I believe it's about a three hour rush hour. Prop 400 will help
us manage the congestion as we grow through the valley.
Cary Pfeffer:
As far as the projects those start kicking in in 2006 as far as
construction and moving forward.
>> Victor Mendez:
We're in the process of actually establishing the priorities.
They will kick in in the time frame 2006 to 2010. We do not have
any specific priorities, that will be done through the Maricopa
association of governments, the planning process and all the mayors
and everybody involve will have say so into the priorities.
Cary Pfeffer:
In the northwest valley there is some activity going to happen
on the Estrella, making that a more complete process?
>> Victor Mendez:
The Estrella Parkway, that is correct. We will build it as a four-lane
highway, to be improved in the later phases. It will be a divided
highway and help relieve some of the congestion that occurs in
the northwest valley.
Cary Pfeffer:
The 101, people who have lived here awhile think of that as new
freeway space but it is in need of updating.
>> Victor Mendez:
That is correct. We will add lanes and HOV lanes.
Cary Mendez:
In the east valley, more attention focused on the 60.
>> Victor Mendez:
That is correct. That is a really exciting project, from Val Vista
to Power road. We will add the car pool lanes, additional lanes.
We try and finish that when we finish the intersection that brings
together the Red Mountain, Santan and 60. We hope to accomplish
that and open everything at once. We're working on that.
Cary Pfeffer:
Just to finish up, people are happy about the idea that there
are going to be improvements but they are going to have to have
patience with the construction process.
>> Victor Mendez:
Very true. Building these kinds of facilities does get in the
way and we ask patience from the traveling public. Bear with us.
We're doing a good job, I believe, and we will continue to keep
our track record intact.
Cary Pfeffer:
Victor Mendez, appreciate your being here.
>> Victor Mendez:
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
Cary Pfeffer:
"HORIZON" has more information on tonight's main topic
-- asthma -- on our website at www.az.pbs.org. Just click on "HORIZON"
and look for "HORIZON" links. You'll find information
on asthma, asthma medication and research at the Mayo Clinic in
Scottsdale.
>> This Arizona man like more than 20 million adult Americans
has osteoarthritis. It's the common form of the disease and leading
cause of disability in the U.S. But a medical breakthrough is
helping this patient get back on his feet. That, plus more new
treatments for other forms of arthritis, Wednesday at 7 on "HORIZON".
Cary Pfeffer: Thursday on "HORIZON", Maricopa County
voters approved a new football stadium four years ago. We'll update
you on the progress of its construction in Glendale. Then Friday,
a panel of reporters join Michael Grant for the journalists' I'm
Cary Pfeffer. Thanks very much for watching. Michael Grant will
be back in this chair tomorrow night. I hope you have a great
night.
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