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March 27, 2014


Host: Ted Simons

Arizona ArtBeat: Automotive Art

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  • Brenda Priddy is known as one of the world’s top automotive “spy” photographers, snapping photos of test vehicles before they are shown to the public. She’s turned her lens to photographing cars artistically. We’ll show you Priddy’s art photography, on display in Chandler, and talk to her about that and her work as an automotive spy photographer.
Category: The Arts   |   Keywords: the arts, automotive, artbeat, art, arizona, photography, cars,

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Ted Simons: In tonight’s edition of Arizona Artbeat, we look at a local artist who proves that you don’t have to be a car buff to appreciate the beauty of automobiles. Producer Christina Estes and photographer Juan Magana take us to an exhibit featuring automotive artifacts.

Christina Estes: Inside the Chandler center for the arts, you can almost hear the rubber hit the road.

Brenda Priddy: Older cars especially have so many unique characteristics.

Christina Estes: And Brenda Priddy has captured them. Her collection features shapes we rarely see.

Brenda Priddy: The hood ornaments they used years ago, they're not safe, especially for pedestrians in car accidents and such but the hood ornaments from years ago were just beautiful. They were stunning. I mean, they could be Pontiac uses a lot of native American Indians, which today probably want be politically correct but they're just beautiful hood ornaments, the script, the writing on so many of the old badges was elegant or modern, it fit the era.

Christina Estes: Priddy took most of these photos at car shows with thousands of people milling around.

Brenda Priddy: I might walk around a car and take 50 or 60 photos and then walk away for a few minutes and as the sky is changing, walk back and take another 50 or 60.

Christina Estes: This photo is titled calling Mr. Edsel.

Brenda Priddy: The steering wheel almost looks like it would be a push button phone but it's push buttons for the automatic shifting on the car.

Christina Estes: This one's called Studebaker, of course.

Brenda Priddy: And we named it that because people try to guess what it is and they never guess it on the first try or usually even on the second time. They start out with Corvette and they think what other vehicles are v8 but the script on top is the bottom of the writing for Studebaker.

Christina Estes: One wall features photos from a recent trip to Cuba.

Brenda Priddy: When they see somebody from America, the first thing they say is Detroit? Do you know Detroit?

Christina Estes: She quickly discovered how much pride they have in their rides.

Brenda Priddy: I was taking a picture of one car and this man came up to me and I couldn't communicate with him very well because he didn't speak English, he took me by the arm to his car and he had a daisy on his license plate and some flowers by the hood ornament and so I spent a lot of time taking pictures of that.

Christina Estes: With little to no access to replacement parts, Cubans must really care for their cars.

Brenda Priddy: They do whatever they can. So you might find a Chevy with a Japanese diesel engine in it but it's still a magnificent car and it might have 15 layers of paint.

Christina Estes: Priddy snapped 10,000 photos in Cuba expended up in a few herself.

Brenda Priddy: People were so pleased that I would choose their automobiles to take pictures of, you know. They would open the hood, they would have me sit inside, they would want to take pictures of me with my camera by their car. So it made them feel good, as well.

Ted Simons: Priddy is also well-known as an automotive “spy” photographer. Car-makers try to keep their prototypes under wraps, but Priddy has captured many images just outside the proving grounds in the middle of the desert. That's it for now. I'm Ted Simons. Thank you so much for joining us. You have a great evening.


Maricopa County Regional Behavioral Health Authority

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  • The organization that provides behavioral health services in the Maricopa County region is switching from Magellan, a Connecticut-based company, to Mercy Maricopa Integrated Care April First. Mercy Maricopa is a non-profit organization sponsored by Maricopa County’s public health-care system. The switch comes at a time when coverage for the mentally ill will be enhanced by the settlement of a decades old lawsuit, Arnold versus Sarn. Charles Arnold, the lawyer who represented the mentally ill in the lawsuit, will discuss the case, along with Eddy Broadway, CEO of Mercy Maricopa Integrated Care, and Cory Nelson, Deputy Director for Behavioral Health for the Arizona Department of Health Services.
Guests:
  • Charles Arnold - Attorney
  • Eddy Broadway - CEO, Mercy Maricopa Integrated Care
  • Cory Nelson - Deputy Director, Behavioral Health for the Arizona Department of Health Services
Category: Medical/Health   |   Keywords: medical, health, regional, maricopa, county, behavioral, authority, services,

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Ted Simons: Behavioral health care for the poor in Maricopa County is set for an April 1st transition to a new provider, Mercy Maricopa Integrated Care. Mercy Maricopa replaces Magellan, which had managed mental health and substance abuse treatment in the county for the past six years. The switch comes at a time when coverage for the mentally ill will be enhanced by the settlement Arnold v. Sarn, a decades-old lawsuit. Here to talk about all this is Charles “Chick” Arnold, the attorney who represented the mentally ill in that lawsuit, Eddy Broadway, CEO of Mercy-Maricopa Integrated Care, and Cory Nelson, deputy director for behavioral health for the Arizona department of Health Services. Good to have you all here. Thank you so much for joining us. Chick, I want to start with you. You've been on the program before. We've talked about Arnold V. Sarn. From a grand overview, come April 1st, what changes?

Charles Arnold: Well, there's a lot that changes, but primarily it's a reason for optimism. A number of factors have come together to allow this optimism these days in our community. The affordable care act, the passage, the governor's restoration of the Medicaid program, parity in insurance to provide for equal coverage for mental health issues, all of that has helped result in the transition to a new regional behavioral health authority in Maricopa County. That's Mercy Maricopa compared to Magellan healthcare. Mercy Maricopa is local and has embraced the notion of integrated care which means providing for primary care needs in addition to that mental health needs and it's a not for profit company which helps the people in our community.

Ted Simons: Integrated care seems to be a major focus here. What exactly does that mean?

Eddy Broadway: Well, here in this model, integrated care means several things. For the most part, there's several different models. One starts out with number one the member decides on what services they want. But they can choose basically to select to have all their care delivered in one place. Integrated care basically where you bring both behavioral healthcare and the physical healthcare together.

Ted Simons: Was that different than what Magellan was doing?

Cory Nelson: Magellan had the starts of it. They were doing some colocated care and really trying to move the system forward but this takes it a whole nother step, that nobody in the country has embraced the way that Arizona has embraced and we're looking forward to continuing to lead the nation in these developments.

Ted Simons: For those members and there's a lot of concern, a lot of worry, things are changing out there. What do they need to know?

Cory Nelson: The key thing that they need to know is they're still going to be able to go to their same providers, they're going to get the same basic care that they were going to get in the behavioral health world but they're going to get their medical care overseen by that same entity that's overseeing their behavioral healthcare. So at the end of the day, we're going to be able to look at them even more as a whole person and that's what everybody wants to be is treated as a whole person.

Ted Simons: It sounds like collaboration is the key here, integration, collaboration they work together.

Charles Arnold: It's absolutely critical. As we've discussed on this show before, people with serious mental illness in Arizona have a 32 year shorter life span than those without. Often the cause of death isn't a mental illness. It's physical issues that are unattended, largely as a result of a mental disorder. The notion of integrated care gets right to the heart of that issue and provides consumers with an opportunity to get their primary care needs addressed at the same time as their mental health needs.

Ted Simons: Was it again moving a battle ship kind of a change in terms of getting all of this collaboration, all these folks under one tent? Talk about the dynamics there.

Eddy Broadway: I think there's many systems in play and it is almost like moving a battleship. We have to start with small pieces. The first piece is getting everyone to the table and talking and sharing information. So the health information exchange is going to be the first step, which is really key to the underpinnings of this. So you have your physical doctors and providers talking to you, behavioral health, and sharing information. And then there are bigger systems development which will start moving along, such as the fully integrated clinics and the member chooses to go to a PCP or psychiatrist.

Ted Simons: Member chooses or perhaps family members help choose? Again, is that dynamic different than what we've seen in the county in the past?

Eddy Broadway: I think so. Over the years, we've had a smaller selection and, you know, when we had a bifurcated system for physical to behavioral and they were really separated and weren't talking. The behavioral health was definitely less of an opportunity for member choice and members to move around the system like they would want to.

Ted Simons: And as far as again, I know that Magellan has a problem with all of this, they've gone to court and said the system was rigged or something along those lines. Are you fitting this system into something that mercy does as opposed to giving the Magellan, the united, someone else out there a chance to try their hand at this?

Cory Nelson: We went through a competitive bid process, we evaluated all the bids that were submitted and we picked what we believed was the best bid out there to get to the core of the matter, and that was improving people's lives through integrated whole person care with a community based approach.

Ted Simons: Is there enough of an accountability factor here when it's a nonprofit sponsored by the county?

Cory Nelson: There's accountability at all levels. We built in accountability through our contracts with them, the Arizona healthcare cost containment system builds in their accountability, so there's accountability at many, many levels to make sure that there's no underhanded dealings or anything like that associated with it, just like we do with a for profit, a nonprofit, a county based, a private based.

Ted Simons: Okay. Arnold V.Sarn.

Charles Arnold: One of the things that the settlement agreement provides for continuing quality service reviews. So while the case has indeed been settles and resolved in its principle, there's continuing review of the system through the process provided for in the settlement agreement. There will be independent quality service reviews to assure that what the vision of the provider and the department is actually manifested.

Ted Simons: So that is part of the deal?

Charles Arnold: Correct. It's been embraced by the providers and it's part of the contractual agreement that Mercy Maricopa will have with the state.

Ted Simons: As far as Mercy Maricopa and what you are doing here, is it modeled after a program somewhere else in the country or is everyone else in the country looking at this as a model?

Eddy Broadway: That's a very interesting question. I think there are parts of it going on across the nation. This is really more the trend. To the extent and the scope of this contract this is probably the largest undertaking and the first of its kind.

Ted Simons: Wow. Okay. Are you ready for it?

Eddy Broadway: We're ready.

Ted Simons: Do you think they're ready? Healthcare service in Arizona, we've done so many shows on this, there are so many concerns, right, left, in the middle. For those who are in the system for members, if you will, again, how do they see optimism in this? How are they going to see something get better?

Cory Nelson: I think what they can see get better is they are treated like the rest of us want to be treated, as a whole person. They're not left behind. Most of us right now in our own private insurance, you know, we can go to the provider we want whether it's behavioral health, physical health, whatever it may be. Behavioral health in the public system hasn't always been that way. So the fact that they're going to be treated as that whole person equally I think is a huge step for us.
Ted Simons: As far as experience for Mercy Maricopa, what kind of background, what kind of experience do the folks have in terms of the background for integrated care?

Eddy Broadway: Mercy Maricopa is a new company but the sponsors that have been involved in this including Maricopa health systems, dignity health, have been doing integrated care and we come with that experience. And the models that we've really adopted have been tried across the United States, so, you know, we feel that we're set and ready to go for that.

Ted Simons: Is that a concern at all that this is a new beast on the horizon?

Charles Arnold: It's a positive concern. The old beast wasn't necessarily responsive to the needs of the people it sought to serve.

Ted Simons: How so?

Charles Arnold: As Eddie suggests, it was focused on the behavioral health system as a distinctly separate system, that doesn't work for any of us. The big deal, though, is critical to recognize that the Medicaid restoration will, you know, enlarge the universe of people who are eligible for federal reimbursement for the services they receive. The affordable care act will make insurance accessible for another group of people, all of which will help to reduce the cost to the state of Arizona and permit a provider such as Mercy Maricopa to be clever and intelligent in the way it uses the money.

Ted Simons: How do we make sure that Mercy Maricopa isn't too clever or isn't too intelligent in the wrong way? In terms of -- I called it a beast. If things start fraying at the edges, talk a little bit about accountability but again, making sure when you have integration, when you have collaboration, a lot of folks need to work together, can they work together?

Cory Nelson: I believe they can and I believe we have the quality measures at a lot of different levels to make sure they are working together for the right purpose and that purpose is for the delivery of service to the members that improve their lives. I think between all of us and the contractual requirements that we have in place and the monitoring, I think it will continue to drive the system forward.

Ted Simons: So in -- someone watching right now having a family member with problems, needing this kind of service, care, what do they need to know?

Eddy Broadway: If they're involved in the system, that day one, nothing's going to change for them. They can continue seeing their doctor that go to their clinic, their PCP. If they need to access care, they can call when we go live on April 1st and we can get them connected to the right services.

Ted Simons: And you are optimistic correct?

Charles Arnold: I'm feeling really good about it, absolutely. There are still concerns of course, the transition in itself is a cause for concern. There's still obviously going to be a shortage of funds, that's always part of the equation, but the elements we do have control over have been adjusted in a positive way.

Ted Simons: Gentlemen it's good to have you here. Thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

Eddy Broadway: Thank you.

Cory Nelson: Thank you.

Unions Allowed for College Athletes

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  • The National Labor Relations Board has decided that college athletes at private schools are employees, and can therefore can unionize. Stanley Lubin, a Phoenix labor attorney, will discuss the legalities of the issue.
Guests:
  • Stanley Lubin - Labor Attorney, Phoenix
Category: Law   |   Keywords: law, unions, college, private, schools, athletes, employees,

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Ted Simons: Coming up next on "Arizona Horizon," a major ruling gives college athletes the right to unionize. We’ll get a legal analysis of the decision. We’ll learn about Maricopa County’s new mental health service provider for the poor. And we’ll see how a painter and photographer turns autos into art. Those stories next on "Arizona Horizon."

Ted Simons: Good evening and welcome to "Arizona Horizon." I’m Ted Simons. A regional director of the National Labor Relations Board ruled yesterday that college athletes at Northwestern University are employees and thus have the right to unionize. Stanley Lubin is a Phoenix labor attorney. He joins us now. It's good to have you here.

Stanley Lubin: My pleasure.

Ted Simons: Well, this is -- this is a really big deal and in the future it could be a really big deal. What's going on here?

Stanley Lubin: Well, it could be a big deal but when you count the numbers today, it really isn't. Because it applies only to private schools and anything that is not a public school, a publicly owned school because they're exempt from the statute. Out of the major colleges in the country, 17 of them are covered by this decision.

Ted Simons: Some of those schools, obviously Northwestern, Stanford, Notre Dame, USC, those are big.

Stanley Lubin: Miami. That's true and the Loyola schools.

Ted Simons: So what did the national labor relations board and this was not the full board in D.C., this was --

Stanley Lubin: Just the regional director in Chicago. He basically said these football players, athletes, are employed by the university. They're basically, they're not paid in cash, but they're paid. They get scholarships, they get room and board, they get clothing, they get travel, they get food. And in return for that, their lives are controlled by the university's athletic department. They are told when to eat, what to eat, where to eat, how to dress. They are required to be at practices, sometimes, up to 40 to 60 hours a week, and even during the school year, their football takes priority over their academics on occasion. So it's a very big thing for them to decide whether or not -- what is their life going to be like? And it's that of an employee. An employee is not necessarily just paid in cash. If you work for somebody and you get remuneration for it, it does not have to be in cash, you're an employee.

Ted Simons: Compensation for service, right?

Stanley Lubin: Compensation for service.

Ted Simons: Schools are saying and the NCAA is saying the scholarships are not compensation, that's a grant.

Stanley Lubin: They can call it whatever they want but it's a compensation when you require the students and the athletes to be present for half their summer, then when they're in school, they're working 20 to 40 hours a week, sometimes, more, to the point where, for example, the record at the northwestern case, there is evidence that, for example, if a student wasn't available at the time a test was given, they would ask the professor to move the date of the test and most of them would. In addition, they would actually hold the bus back for students so that they can take a test if the professor wouldn't yield on it. No question about it these kids are being paid.

Ted Simons: And again, compensation for service, also they're under the direct control, you say, of the school but really of managers and those managers happen to be their coaches.

Stanley Lubin: That's correct. They have to get permission to leave campus, for example, if they wanted to go home for a weekend, even during the nonseason. A good example of what happens is that the players have to be where the coaches want them to be, when they want them there and doing what the coaches say. That's what an employer does when you're at work.

Ted Simons: You're being managed.

Stanley Lubin: You're being managed, you're totally controlled by them when you're at work.

Ted Simons: So other college players again at private universities, this could be an issue. Not public universities because the national relations board does not have authority over public universities?

Stanley Lubin: That's correct. The definition of employee under the act excludes all employees of any public entity.

Ted Simons: What happens to athletes at public universities?

Stanley Lubin: Well, it depends on what state they're in. For example, if you're back in New York or Michigan or Ohio or some of the other states back east or California, you may have a statute that applies equally or as well as or differently than the national labor relations act that allows those employees to claim it. There's no decision that says they aren't employees but that doesn't mean somebody's not going to try for it now.

Ted Simons: You could have 50 different definitions of an employee of a student athlete employee.

Stanley Lubin: Somebody said that to me yesterday but I said not in Arizona so don't worry.

Ted Simons: 49 then.

Stanley Lubin: The only school in Arizona that's covered by this would be Grand Canyon.

Ted Simons: True, that's true.

Stanley Lubin: Because U. of A. and ASU are public schools.

Ted Simons: Welcome to the sporting world.

Stanley Lubin: Welcome to the sporting world.

Ted Simons: I know the NCAA and the schools are saying the athletes, they're students, they're not -- they're not the same as truckers, they're not the same as workers in the traditional sense of employees. Is that going to stand?

Stanley Lubin: Is a trucker the same as a university professor? Is the trucker the same as auto worker who builds a car? Is a trucker the same as the pilot of an airplane? The statutes cover different types of employees and these are different types of employees. Baseball players, football players, the professional leagues are all covered by this statute.

Ted Simons: Considering the unique nature of a student athlete, is there case law out there, is there anything similar to this?

Stanley Lubin: No.

Ted Simons: Nothing?

Stanley Lubin: No. The university argued that the -- there was a case involving Brown University, involving graduate student teachers. And they were held not to be employees because they were there for a very short period of time, a year or two generally, and that their primary purpose was education of themselves, to get their education and this was the way they were paying for it. The regional director here distinguished that case by saying that's all well and good but they're not working 40 to 60 hours a week and their goal here is not to teach other students or to learn, it's to play football and win a game as Northwestern said in a video that was in evidence, the goal is to win games and they make a lot of money off football.

Ted Simons: We have this guy in Chicago with this ruling now. Does it go back to D.C. and the full board?

Stanley Lubin: If the university appeals and they said already they will, they have 30 days, they have a right to request a review. They will get a very quick preliminary decision from the labor board if it's a yes. If it's a no, it will take time. But generally, the board issues a quick decision, they hold an election, lock the ballots up without counting them and wait for a full decision to come down. My guess is that we'll know the answer to that in three months.

Ted Simons: If the full board says these are employees, you better get used to it, how does college sports get used to it?

Stanley Lubin: I don't think it's a big deal.

Ted Simons: Interesting.

Stanley Lubin: They just have to sit down and bargain with them. Over terms and conditions of employment. They may have to bargain over wages. That would be an interesting one because of the NCAA rules.

Ted Simons: You're going to have strikes, university locking out some of these student athletes?

Stanley Lubin: I don't know that's ever going to happen but it's possible. It's possible now.

Ted Simons: Yeah.

Stanley Lubin: I mean, what's to stop the athletes from saying we're not going to play this weekend? In fact, that happened last season, earlier this season I think, one of the colleges in the south, if I remember right, the players refused to travel to a game because they were mistreated by the coach.

Ted Simons: Exactly and the coach got the boot.

Stanley Lubin: I think so. I'm not sure about all the facts on that.

Ted Simons: So last question. Are you a college sports fan?

Stanley Lubin: Big one.

Ted Simons: All right. Do you think that in three to five years or in the foreseeable future, we will look back on this and look back on college sports as it now exists and say, wow, things have certainly changed?

Stanley Lubin: They're going to change anyway. The NCAA is under incredible pressure to pass rules to allow these athletes to be paid something or do something different. They're under incredible pressure to change the rules now. Irrespective of this decision. Will there be change? Yes. Will this decision drive the change? Probably in part yes but it depends on whether it stands. You know, and I think it's going to be a question of a lot of other factors coming in, as well.

Ted Simons: And very quickly, if the universities decide a stipend is a way to go, every athlete gets paid x, does that alleviate some concerns here?

Stanley Lubin: It might. But the concern here that has been driving this train has been injuries, what happens if I get hurt? What happens for the rest of my life?

Ted Simons: There are other lawsuits out right now along those lines.

Stanley Lubin: True. In fact, you know the coaches at Northwestern are not opposed to this.

Ted Simons: This is fascinating. It's good to have you here.

Stanley Lubin: My pleasure, my pleasure.

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