February 13, 2014
Host: Ted Simons
- Marshall Trimble, Arizona’s official state historian, will talk about Arizona’s rich history in honor of the state’s 102nd birthday on February 14.
- Marshall Trimble - Historian, Arizona
| Keywords: government
Ted Simons: Tomorrow Arizona celebrates 102 years of statehood and more than a few major political figures have helped the state reach its latest birthday. Here to talk about Arizona's history and the political names that helped shape that history is Arizona's official state historian, Marshall Trimble. Good to see you again.
Marshall Trimble: Good to be here again. Glad to be back.
Ted Simons: Good. We got you back. It is a big day, always a big time, after years, seems like everyone gets excited every year. Before we get to some of the names, real quickly, the road to state hood, it was kind of rocky, wasn't it?
Marshall Trimble: It was really rocky, a lot of reasons and varied over the years depending on when you are talking about it. It might have been gold, silver, the price of the gold and silver standard and the Apache wars and the Cochise County fighting down there and Pleasant Valley War -- it kind of shifted as we came closer to the 20th century, shifted more to political reasons.
Ted Simons: Mining was so big in the early years. Mining shaped the state early on.
Marshall Trimble: It really did. There were others, cattle, railroads and such but mining was king.
Ted Simons: Speaking of king, some folks still consider this guy the king of the state of Arizona. And that is Carl Hayden. Who was Carl Hayden?
Marshall Trimble: He was an interesting man. His father came in -- actually to Tucson in the 1850s, one of the first Americans to pull into Tucson. He was a real product of Arizona, Carl was, too. And he was a sheriff of Maricopa County before he became the first senator. So, he was interesting. He even made the first in America the first captured train robbers driving a car.
Ted Simons: You're kidding me?
Marshall Trimble: Yeah, in 1910. It made him so famous. That was why when the election for senator came, Carl Hayden was a household name. Two train robbers, two brothers, Woodson brothers robbed the train near Maricopa. He went down -- they headed across the desert, way was foolish even on a horse, headed for Mexico. And he was smart enough to appropriate, a car for himself and he caught up with them.
Ted Simons: Carl Hayden served from 1927 to 1969 . That's amazing.
Marshall Trimble: It was at the time the longest of any -- I think it might have been surpassed by somebody, but nobody -- he was effective right up to the end.
Ted Simons: Indeed. I know he was referred to as the silent senator. Didn't say much. Didn't have to say much. He was big on environment and these sorts of things. A lot of the names we talk about tonight very big on the environment.
Marshall Trimble: He was called the work horse. Most of the time he had a show horse with him, Barry Goldwater and Henry F. Asher. They were kind of show horses and they were out there, public very much aware. He worked quietly in the background, but, boy was he effective.
Ted Simons: He sure was. Another effective Arizonan early on, Earnest McFarland. It seems like he did just about everything.
Marshall Trimble: Another one of my favorites. Out of Oklahoma and a little small town judge.
Ted Simons: Quickly, second from the left, that is Carl Hayden on the left and McFarland second from the left.
Marshall Trimble: Right.
Ted Simons: Okay. Go ahead, please.
Marshall Trimble: And he was a judge down in Pinal County and became senator, and he was the father -- we call him the father of the G.I. bill which I think was the smartest piece of legislation this country ever passed. When the G.I.s were coming home and they could now go to college. And that education, and I always tell people that education, they made more money when they graduated and they paid more in taxes so it was the best investment this government ever made and I think it should continue to get people educated so that they can make more money and pay more taxes.
Ted Simons: There you go. Fathered the G.I. bill, that's amazing, but also laid the foundation for the Central Arizona Project, along with Carl Hayden, didn't he?
Marshall Trimble: That fight had been going on for a long time. That is something that I wanted to emphasize tonight was how they worked together. They were democrats and republicans and we will be going through some of them I think here. They worked -- they worked for Arizona. Didn't have a personal agenda here. It was to get water -- get -- bring water into the central part of Arizona, mainly Tucson and Phoenix.
Ted Simons: And, again, it sounds like McFarland, along with Carl Hayden, they didn't succeed themselves but laid the foundation for others. The Udall brothers, what an achieving family. Talk to us about Stewart Udall.
Marshall Trimble: Both of them have deep roots in Arizona. Stewart Kennedy's choice for secretary of interior. He was a Congressman in Congress before that and had a distinguished career in Congress. Then he was the first Arizonan to be picked on a cabinet.
Ted Simons: Yes.
Marshall Trimble: When John F. Kennedy picked him.
Ted Simons: And big on obviously environmental issues, clean air, clean water, these sorts of things. It seems like every person we talk about, they're not necessarily environmentalists, although Stewart Udall could be defined as such, but it is coming from the west. A big factor.
Marshall Trimble: Yes. Arizona was really blessed. I can't think of another state that was blessed with more capable leaders than we had during those years. Actually throughout -- through the 20th century.
Ted Simons: Stewart Udall served in the house, interior secretary, had to leave Congress to take on a cabinet position. And then little brother Mo --
Marshall Trimble: Mo was one of the greatest. He ran for president, too funny to be president, title of a book that he wrote. He was -- he was one of the most loved and respected men on both sides of the aisle, and I always think that is the judge of a good statesman. Not a politician, a statesman.
Ted Simons: We see him introducing Jimmy Carter there. He ran in the primaries against Jimmy Carter. He was considered the liberal alternative to Jimmy Carter. An Arizonan considered a liberal alternative.
Marshall Trimble: That's right. I think Mo would have made a great president.
Ted Simons: Yeah. Certainly good for sound bits.
Marshall Trimble: He -- that line he had, he said he went in to -- in the primary in New Hampshire, he walked into a barber shop and said I was -- I'm Mo Udall, running for president. They said yeah, we were just laughing about that this morning. He wrote a book. Took that for a title.
Ted Simons: The Udall brothers, LDS family there, with a lot of history in Arizona. The LDS influence, pretty strong in Arizona.
Marshall Trimble: Yes, it is. And St. John's, and we have had some great Mormon politicians and representatives here in this state.
Ted Simons: It is interesting that the Udalls were liberals, and now it seems like a lot of the LDS were conservatives,speaking of conservatives, let's get to Mr. Conservative. Barry Goldwater.
Marshall Trimble: I don't think he was really planning to run. He told Howard Pyle to run for governor, and Howard said I won't win. Barry said I know you won't, but you have to run. And he won. Two years later, McFarland was Senate majority leader, and Barry said the same thing, I can't beat that guy. I'll lose. Pyle says I know you will, but you have to run. He pulled at the time the most stunning political upset in Arizona history.
Ted Simons: Born in Phoenix to a family of merchants and I think long-time Arizonans will still remember Goldwater's department store.
Marshall Trimble: His grandfather, Mike, one of the first to start a business in Arizona when we became a territory.
Ted Simons: Most of the customers were the miners we were talking about. Barry Goldwater ran for president in 1964. Lost huge, I think only Arizona and about four, five southern states voted for him, yet that laid the foundation for a conservative uprising in later years.
Marshall Trimble: It sure did. It sowed the seeds that made Ronald Reagan president, and that was the start. Barry probably in my opinion -- I watch these things, the most respected loser in the presidential race in American history, I think.
Ted Simons: Interesting.
Marshall Trimble: He never lost the respect. He returned back to the Senate. And he was always thought of as -- especially the way things turned out with Johnson.
Ted Simons: Well, exactly.
Marshall Trimble: It made Barry look awful good.
Ted Simons: Not only that, Mr. Conservative and was the conscience of a conservative, his book, by 1989, he looked at the republican party and -- he called them a bunch of cooks. He spoke his mind.
Marshall Trimble: He is a very pragmatic man. He shifted -- he changed with the times. And today he would be called a liberal republican, or maybe -- maybe a liberal democrat.
Ted Simons: I think he was called that even --
Marshall Trimble: What I have always respected about him he was a straight shooter. I worked with him for about 20 years. I introduced him at the Goldwater lecture series for that long and I got to know him. We never talked politics. We talked history. He loved history. But you would get a straight answer out of him.
Ted Simons: You sure did. John Rhodes, we talked about the Central Arizona Project the foundation laid before, John Rhodes was really there when it happened.
Marshall Trimble: John Rhodes was, and another one of the outstanding legislators, Congressmen we had came in 1952 with Goldwater. Was not a long-time native. He came here as a result of World War II. He was stationed out here and decided to come to Arizona, settle in Mesa. And he later was, you know, Senate majority -- I mean house majority leader. And when they say when Nixon was talked into resigning, there were three people in the room, and two of them were Arizonans, John Rhodes and Barry Goldwater.
Ted Simons: Isn't that something. And he served years and succeeded by John McCain in the house.
Marshall Trimble: Right.
Ted Simons: Paul Fannin is not necessarily a name recognized, tell us about Paul Fannin.
Marshall Trimble: Governor, a long-time Arizonan, noted sports figure here when the heyday of softball. He loves to talk about it. Every time he and I talked, we talked about sports. And he became governor, was a good governor, and it -- they were working on the CAP together. He was a part of that, too. In the Senate, he was very effective when he was in the Senate and working on that bringing the CAP. We had a tough fight because -- from the 1920s on, California was the giant to the west, and they were the giant water guzzler and we were -- we were fighting to get our share of the water.
Ted Simons: It's interesting. Every single person we have talked about so far had some sort of hand in the Central Arizona Project, getting that Colorado river water to Phoenix which is the biggest reason that Phoenix is what it is today.
Marshall Trimble: You're right. At 13,000 square mile watershed up there and all of the runoff runs into the salt river, which runs through the hardest valley. When they completed that dam, the future of central Arizona, the valley especially, was ensured.
Ted Simons: Last person I want to talk about, a trailblazer on so many fronts, Sandra Day O'Connor. Not necessarily an Arizona native but it sure feels like it.
Marshall Trimble: I think of her as a native. The Day ranch had been there since 1880. Harry Day, Henry Clay Day before, her dad was Harry Day. I spent some time with her on the ranch in Duncan. She went to school, was born in El Paso because really -- it was the hospital that -- the nearest hospital. And she was educated there, too, because of the -- it was a chance to get her a better education. She is still an Arizonan. And I think -- and I think she had such an important role on the Supreme Court. You never -- what I admire the most about justice O'Connor was you never knew she was -- she had made the decision -- some -- you can predict what they're going to vote. You know ahead of time how they're going to vote. With her, she studied it, and she was brilliant, and she was -- she studied the issues before she cast the vote and she surprised a lot of people with her votes, but she was -- to me, very -- the most important member of that court when she was on it, I thought.
Ted Simons: We've only got 30 seconds left. All of these people, they all seem to have something in common. What do you think it is?
Marshall Trimble: They're Arizonans.
Ted Simons: What does that mean?
Marshall Trimble: Justice O'Connor probably explained it the best. Out here in the west, and it isn't just Arizona, but out here in the west, we learned -- we picked up and -- you know, we just -- we learned to take charge of things, and maybe it is because of the ruralness of us, but kids born on ranches grow up with responsibilities and I think it is just the nature of Arizonans and we have had, like I said, we have been blessed with so many great leaders. I hope the 21st century has the same.
Ted Simons: 102 years and counting. Good to have you here.
Marshall Trimble: It's nice to be here, Ted.
New Cubs Stadium
- The new Cubs Stadium for spring training officially opened yesterday. Mesa Mayor Scott Smith will talk about the new facility.
- Scott Smith - Mayor, Mesa
| Keywords: sports
Ted Simons: Good evening and welcome to "Arizona Horizon." I'm Ted Simons. The ribbon cutting is done and the games are about to begin at Chicago Cubs' new spring training stadium in mesa. Here to talk about the new facility and what it means for the city is mesa mayor Scott Smith. Good to see you again.
Scott Smith: Thanks for having me, Ted.
Ted Simons: Where exactly, most folks I think know, but for those who don't, where is the stadium?
Scott Smith: The stadium is right at the Riverview Park, at the intersection of 101 and 202.
Ted Simons: You mentioned Riverview Park, there still is a Riverview Park, correct?
Scott Smith: That’s what is exciting about this. It’s not just the Cubs’ field and stadium, part of a 126 plus acre complex which includes things that are unseen and unheard of in baseball and certainly here in Arizona, city park, Riverview Park, completely rebuilt. A 50-foot climbing tower, you don't see not only in Arizona, but in the entire world. Tallest in the world. Incredible new lake where you can fish. And that is connected through walkways into the stadium. It has it all. Complete experience.
Ted Simons: Except for those of us golfers, we don't have Riverview golf course.
Scott Smith: Progress sometimes is tough. I miss Riverview golf course like everybody else does. If you could have seen the 30 plus thousand people that showed up for the open house, the families as they went through the park, and then to the stadium. To many of them the park was more impressive than the stadium was. This is what building things for the community is all about.
Ted Simons: How was this done for the community? We talked before, you were on the program before as we went through this process, not the easiest.
Scott Smith: No, it wasn't. It was a five-year process. We had to take it to the voters. We had to make sure that they believed that this investment was somebody that benefited everybody. One of the big arguments, you're building stadiums for millionaires. The fact of the matter is yes the millionaires will play there, but they can play anywhere. Our citizens in the community believed that they needed a place to go together. They liked the fact that we were not only building a stadium, spring training facility, an experience that they can go to year round. Passed it overwhelmingly, Mesa voters, conservative voters, they agreed this was a great investment for the community.
Ted Simons: It was a situation where the cubs were being courted and quite heavily by Florida. That was a factor --
Scott Smith: Not only a factor, but a fact. The Cubs never said if you don't give us this we are going there. It was obvious that they had options. All we asked the Cubs was for an opportunity. Listen, we get it that you have opportunities and you have options, but give us a chance to build something. They never said you have to do this dollar amount or that dollar amount. We figured out what would be reasonable, and actually, a lot of stadiums that have been built recently that are much more expensive than what this Cubs stadium is. I don't think there is anyone that creates an experience like this does.
Ted Simons: How much did the stadium and project cost and who is paying for it?
Scott Smith: The whole project which includes the stadium, practice field, entire park, was $84 million dollars plus about $18 or 19 for infrastructure. Mesa taxpayers through the sale of land, nonproductive land, we weren't making any money on it. We sold the land and recently closed the first portion of that, which is over $130 million. That is what is being used to pay for the stadium. It is a transfer of nonproductive assets into productive assets. Things that will generate economic development, over $130 million a year and quality of life for our community for generations.
Ted Simons: Keep the cubs in Mesa and also keep the cubs fan in Mesa. A lot of times they head to Tempe, Scottsdale, Wrigleyville west, how far along is that?
Scott Smith: It is creating an environment where you can go in the morning, go fish with the park, hang out with the family. Outside of the stadium, thre will be entertainment, restaurants, Sheraton hotel has been announced and will go up next to the stadium, first development part of Wrigleyville west. Idea to create a year-round entertainment and hotel and business center that will thrive during spring training, but in the other months of the year, people will be able to go to and it is off to a great start.
Ted Simons: What does that mean? What do we see out there?
Scott Smith: Right after spring training is done, you will see breaking ground on a full service Sheraton hotel. If you think about what is this like, Kierland Commons, and how its urban type street scene and that is what you will have. Instead of shops, you will have a hotel, restaurants, other entertainment venues and you have the beautiful park and the stadium all together.
Ted Simons: Is there concern that Riverview mall down the way will lose some business? There is a lot going on. Two big malls, Tempe, Scottsdale not far away, that is a lot of stuff going on.
Scott Smith: I can tell you in the short time that the park has been open, Riverview shopping center is ecstatic. It has drawn people in that ordinarily would not have come to that area. They come enjoy the park and enjoy the stadium and they go over to Riverview to eat, to maybe have a drink or two. They really stay in the area. We're finding they're already staying in the area. We think long term it will generate new traffic that simply isn't going there right now.
Ted Simons: Before I let you go, let's talk a little baseball. As far as the stadium itself is concerned, architectural idea behind it, does it look a little like Wrigley -- what does it look like?
Scott Smith: We didn't start out to make a replica of Wrigley field. As we got into it, some of the colors and the way it's presented give you a real feel that -- it gives a similar feel to Wrigley field. The idea was not to copy Wrigley field except for the experience. We wanted fans to feel comfortable, intimate. And that is one thing that I have heard from fans. This is an intimate place, a place where I can feel like I'm enjoying baseball but doing it in a place that I can actually be close to the action and close to the fans.
Ted Simons: If it is anything like Wrigley field, having been there, the last thing those fans care about is baseball. They're busy having a big party out in the stands.
Scott Smith: Welcome to spring training. In the left field, bleachers up on top of buildings. You can replicate what it is like to be across the street and watch the game. A lot of great venues in the valley. This is more than about Mesa. This is about the valley and spring training. Cubs field, will become the gem, a place for people to come together -- maybe watch a little baseball.
Ted Simons: We'll see about that. Mayor, good to see you.
Scott Smith: Thank you. Thank you.
- The owners of a Phoenix coffee shop turn to community members to help transform a vacant lot into a “pocket park." Co-owners Laryn Callaway and Christiaan Blok raised $23,000 to cover the landscaping costs, which include Chinese pistache trees, seating and a patch of lawn where they plan to offer Yoga and other classes. The couple hopes to collaborate with Arizona State University students to build a communal table and benches to promote more community gathering and an urban green space.
| Keywords: community
Ted Simons: Phoenix has a new urban park thanks to some coffee lovers. Producer Christina Estes and photographer Juan Magana take us there.
Laryn Callaway: Our business is Shine Coffee, my husband and I are the owners.
Christiaan Blok: We started about a year ago. And we conceptualized the business as a walk-up bar --
Christina Estes: It didn't take Christaan Blok and Laryn Callaway long to realize that their shop wouldn't be a grab and go kind of place.
Christiaan Blok: I grew up on the coast.
Christina Estes: Instead they created a destination for people who live and work in midtown Phoenix.
Laryn Callaway: I'm looking at a couple of hundred peoples' homes across the street. Right on the street, right on the sidewalk. People walk up, park their bike, park their car and come and talk to us, order their coffee, and there is really this open exchange going on.
Christina Estes: But there was an early problem. A pretty ugly one.
Laryn Callaway: This was a lot of old concrete and broken concrete.
Christina Estes: A rough lot didn't encourage much hanging out, so they brainstormed ways to create a welcoming outdoor space. Laryn immediately dismissed the idea of a fenced-off patio.
Laryn Callaway: Because we're in this urban environment, closeness, proximity, and interaction are really innate components of why people want to have a business or live here. So, it just felt really contradictory to do something that was exclusionary.
Christina Estes: They transformed the 1933 pool house into their coffee shop, now they needed to turn a neglected piece of land into a pocket park, a pocket park built on private land but accessible to the public.
Laryn Callaway: In 25 days, we raised $23,000 from 312 backers on the kickstarter campaign.
Christiaan Blok: We were delightfully surprised. People want to better their community. They want to see lovely spots like this where they can sit and it is wonderful to see people now enjoy this space.
Christina Estes: They planted desert-friendly trees that will provide summer shade, installed an irrigation system and put out lighting, tables, and chairs.
Laryn Callaway: We expanded the sidewalk 2 feet so that now people -- two people with their 2 dogs can walk down our little patch of sidewalk.
Christiaan Blok: They also added a patch of grass where they plan to hold yoga classes, movie nights and other events. Still to come, more furniture to encourage more community interaction.
Christiaan Blok: It is very communal, big table, some benches, people instinctively look for that. They instinctively look for a place to sit, to be, to be centered.
Laryn Callaway: We love the neighborhood. We love the opportunity to be a business that people could walk or ride the light rail to and we love the idea that we're part of pioneering this really cool infill project of retail in mid-town.
Ted Simons: Shine coffee is planning a grand opening party next month to thank their customers and those who donated to the park.